tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post8648603765942860836..comments2024-03-28T05:12:10.477-07:00Comments on Gone Gaming: A Game That Should Be Reprinted: LowenherzColdfoothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11636345146138362966noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-14549918250032468052007-05-29T11:38:00.000-07:002007-05-29T11:38:00.000-07:00The problem with Lowenhertz is that the conflict i...The problem with Lowenhertz is that the conflict is frequently too arbitrary. 3 things to pick and 4 players means that someone is going to go into competition while others get actions for free. Obviously, it's virtually always better - significantly better - to get the free action. But often when you're player #4, the choice of who to "pick on" comes down to 6 of one, half-a-dozen of the other too often, and when choices like that become arbitrary people feel put-out, whether they really have been unfairly singled out or not.<BR/><BR/>It's different in a game like Basari, where the actions are pre-selected and the game of bluff and double-bluff is a key to the action. You flip your tiles, you groan when you see dupes because you got it wrong, but that's the key - you feel like you got it wrong. If you're player #1 in Lowenherz and player #4 opts to compete with you instead of player #2, you feel picked on, especially when there are multiple nearly-equivalent choices. Arbitrary or nearly-arbitrary choices that hurt other players are virtually always bad for a German-style game. Nuclear War or the Paranoia Mandatory Bonus Fun Card Game, OK. A fairly serious game, not so much.<BR/><BR/>Everyone I know, including a couple of die-hard Lowenherz fans who swore they would never switch, has ultimately been converted by Domaine. While I'm sure that there are people out there who will prefer the original, I think the wide majority of people who get enough play time on both will come around to the more modern game.cfarrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09097007801881621340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-78154338983441181382007-05-29T10:02:00.000-07:002007-05-29T10:02:00.000-07:00I think if everyone has played Lowenhertz is more ...I think if everyone has played Lowenhertz is more fun. But Domaine is so much easier to teach and get right into playing.qzhdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00052783136246015481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-52326900016169545122007-05-29T00:18:00.000-07:002007-05-29T00:18:00.000-07:00I much prefer Lowenherz because of the bidding for...I much prefer Lowenherz because of the bidding for the actions. But I use Domaine's scoring because it is much cleaner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-16488982674834676992007-05-26T10:57:00.000-07:002007-05-26T10:57:00.000-07:00You can transform your "Domaine" into a version ve...You can transform your "Domaine" into a version very close to the original "lowenherz" by printing the cards on <A HREF="http://lesplateaux.net/2006/07/richard-coeur-de-lion-se-mtamorphose.html" REL="nofollow">this web page</A>. The rule changes are in french, but you could probably figure it out.<BR/><BR/>This modified version was made by Guylain Campagna.Philippehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04285838400989869479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-74126649592130322352007-05-26T10:55:00.000-07:002007-05-26T10:55:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Philippehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04285838400989869479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-53450467848147506302007-05-26T10:01:00.000-07:002007-05-26T10:01:00.000-07:00Mikko, I've heard the same thing, straight from Ja...Mikko, I've heard the same thing, straight from Jay's mouth, so I agree, the chances of a reprint are mighty low (although with Valley Games reprint fever gripping the land, you never know). Just to provide a counter opinion, I think Domaine is a good solid game, but Lowenherz is in my all-time Top Ten (easily my favorite Teuber design). But these tend to be two very polarizing designs (just how nasty do you want a game to be?).huzonfirsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12857915477472022870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-27388311619557864282007-05-25T20:45:00.000-07:002007-05-25T20:45:00.000-07:00I remember hearing Löwenherz was the biggest flop ...I remember hearing Löwenherz was the biggest flop in Rio Grande Games history - thus you can be pretty sure Rio Grande isn't doing the reprint. With Domaine out, I wonder if anybody else is (or if it's even possible rights-wise).<BR/><BR/>Not that I care much, to be honest, as I'm strictly in the "Domaine is gazillion times better than Löwenherz" group.Mikkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17417932766922859887noreply@blogger.com