tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post115304361185186839..comments2024-03-28T05:12:10.477-07:00Comments on Gone Gaming: THE COMING TRIUMPH OF THE WARGAME-EURO HYBRIDColdfoothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11636345146138362966noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1162459430923934662006-11-02T01:23:00.000-08:002006-11-02T01:23:00.000-08:00The key thing about wargames (of the board type) a...The key thing about wargames (of the board type) and their appeal is the history and the simulation thereof. If you move to euro-style you have to take great care that the history is not sacrificed at the expense of a nice mechanic, playability, or balance. Plus most wargames have two sides only - once you try to simplify them to Euro level, then you reach the converging point where most Euro Games fail - the simpler systems will not support two players only, most of the fun is from interactions and shifting alliances of several players.<BR/><BR/>DKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1153232112927562192006-07-18T07:15:00.000-07:002006-07-18T07:15:00.000-07:00Kris,This is my favorite style of game also, and d...Kris,<BR/><BR/>This is my favorite style of game also, and despite Chris' protestations above, I think it is deserving of genre status. A few months ago there was a Geeklist on this topic that described the genre as "Atlantic games". Perhaps it could use a stricter definition to satisfy the likes of Chris, but by highlighting it in this way, you serve to promote more of these games in the hobby, which is fine by me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1153091386627839642006-07-16T16:09:00.000-07:002006-07-16T16:09:00.000-07:00Excellent article. Glad to see it posted here.As a...Excellent article. Glad to see it posted here.<BR/><BR/>As a younger man, I preferred wargames. Today, I game with a family of three generations, so Eurogames reign. Three of our seven players have no interest in wargames, and a fourth hasn't played a wargame more complicated than Risk. However, the group is competitive and might consider WEH games in which military action is one option, but does not overshadow non-violent winning strategies. I would certainly enjoy such games, except for one caveat -- length. For a game to be purchased and played by our group, its listed playing time must be no more than 90 minutes, and preferably no more than 60 minutes. That will probably eliminate the best WEH games, based on your description, from our table. In addition, we need games that can be played by at least six individuals (not in teams).<BR/><BR/>Again, nice article, and well-written.Gerald McDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03032201828179314072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1153074335958655112006-07-16T11:25:00.000-07:002006-07-16T11:25:00.000-07:00An interesting perspective, Kris, in that it seems...An interesting perspective, Kris, in that it seems to be one arrived at by a wargamer. As a eurogamer, my first thoughts were of some of the games you said didn't qualify, like Struggle of Empires, War of the Ring, and Princes of the Renaissance, as well as a few you didn't mention, like Wallenstein, A Game of Thrones, and Richard Borg's Command and Colors designs. I guess I tend to think of the category as eurogames with some combat, rather than wargames with some euro mechanics. But good catch on Serenissima--I think this design was well ahead of its time in bridging the gap between the American and German ideals. Actually, most of my eurogaming friends who play it think the endgame has TOO much fighting at the end, and have come up with a scoring variant to discourage that. I haven't found the need to use it. Great game--just wish it didn't take so damn long (yep, I'm a eurogamer!).<BR/><BR/>And I guess I'm really going to have to venture to the Dark Side and pick up Eagle Games' Age of Empires when it comes out. Any game that can have D.W., Rick Thornquist, and Valerie ("I leave the wargames to my hubby")Putnam raving about it needs to be checked out!huzonfirsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12857915477472022870noreply@blogger.com