tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post113856021747098448..comments2024-03-28T05:12:10.477-07:00Comments on Gone Gaming: Six Degrees of CollaborationColdfoothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11636345146138362966noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1139348427762528902006-02-07T13:40:00.000-08:002006-02-07T13:40:00.000-08:00At least one connection to SPI can be drawn throug...At least one connection to SPI can be drawn through Steve Winter's work on the _Sniper_ supplement. From there you can jump to James F. Dunnigan, Redmond Simonsen, and then a large number of SPI authors, as well as West End Games.Shannon Appelclinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10454937577535623129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1139329829679132832006-02-07T08:30:00.000-08:002006-02-07T08:30:00.000-08:00In several different fields, analogous studies wer...In several different fields, analogous studies were performed.<BR/>For example:<BR/>*) In mathematics, collaborations as authors of a scientific papers are counted. The lowest number of collaborations necessary to connect you with P. Erdoes (a famous mathematician) is your <A HREF="http://www.oakland.edu/enp/" REL="nofollow">Erdoes number</A>. For instance, since I have collaborated with M.Goossens, who in his turn has written a paper with W.Van Assche, who is a co-author of A.Mate, who in his turn authored a paper with P. Erdoes, my Erdoes number is at maximum 4. Also, it can't be lower, since none of my co-authors is in the <A HREF="http://www.oakland.edu/enp/Erdos1" REL="nofollow">list</A> of people with Erdoes number 2.<BR/>*) In the field of computer security, webs of trust can be computed. A connection between two people is made when I sign somebody's public key, and that person in turn signs my public key. You can find a lot of information on Joergen Cederloef's <A HREF="http://www.lysator.liu.se/~jc/wotsap/" REL="nofollow">website </A>. I bet a lot of his conclusions can be applied to your graph, too.<BR/>You could make Faidutti numbers for all game designers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1139294325827521092006-02-06T22:38:00.000-08:002006-02-06T22:38:00.000-08:00Fantastic. But please educate me... Where did SPI ...Fantastic. But please educate me... Where did SPI fit into the whole mix?M Elsea Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01557766408957537368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1139075262119484772006-02-04T09:47:00.000-08:002006-02-04T09:47:00.000-08:00I have a Bacon factor of 6, since Steve Jackson pu...I have a Bacon factor of 6, since Steve Jackson published Knightmare Chess!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1139045721787570942006-02-04T01:35:00.000-08:002006-02-04T01:35:00.000-08:00Games:Steve Jackson has a Faidutti Factor of 6 (C...<B>Games:</B><BR/>Steve Jackson has a Faidutti Factor of 6 (Carver, Greenwood, Gygax, Winter, Haring, Jackson). Steve Jackson designed _Tribes_ with David Brin (FF7).<BR/><BR/><B>Books:</B><BR/>David Brin wrote the _Heart of the Comet with Gregory Benford (FF8). Gregory Benford wrote _Beyond the Fall of Night_ with Arthur C. Clarke (FF9).<BR/><BR/><B>Movies:</B><BR/>Arthur C. Clarke appeared in _2010_ with Elya Baskin (FF10). Elya Baskin appeared in _New York Skyride_ with Kevin Bacon (FF11).<BR/><BR/>Bruno thus has a Bacon Number of 11 or less.Shannon Appelclinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10454937577535623129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1139039285847035812006-02-03T23:48:00.000-08:002006-02-03T23:48:00.000-08:00Now see if you can connect them to Kevin Bacon thr...Now see if you can connect them to Kevin Bacon through noted game designer Daryl HannahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138948630453072472006-02-02T22:37:00.000-08:002006-02-02T22:37:00.000-08:00Blue Blobs: It's all Avalon Hill, which ended up o...<B>Blue Blobs:</B> It's all Avalon Hill, which ended up oddlys scattered across the chart.<BR/><BR/><B>Posters:</B> I definitely considered it. I do have this all as an Adobe Illustrator file, so I have the resolution. Anyone want to say either, "Do a poster now", or "I'd prefer to wait for a revised version in a few months."?Shannon Appelclinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10454937577535623129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138945279521292272006-02-02T21:41:00.000-08:002006-02-02T21:41:00.000-08:00Very neat! Maybe you could sell posters on a Cafe...Very neat! Maybe you could sell posters on a CafePress shop for Gone Gaming? :)Ava Jarvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01777180628319261015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138943138244086382006-02-02T21:05:00.000-08:002006-02-02T21:05:00.000-08:00I second the nomination for "post of the year" Fa...I second the nomination for "post of the year" <BR/><BR/>Fantasically irreverent, irrrelevant and oddly interesting; all in the same breadth...Ryan B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13258119268813774830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138938362068288212006-02-02T19:46:00.000-08:002006-02-02T19:46:00.000-08:00This is awesome!My only question is that there is ...This is awesome!<BR/><BR/>My only question is that there is a blue blob above TSR to the right that isn't labelled. Should there be a label for Richard Hamblen and John Edwards?Game Overhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04278282503116164227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138920986549082102006-02-02T14:56:00.000-08:002006-02-02T14:56:00.000-08:00Generally: based on the great feedback I've gotten...<B>Generally:</B> based on the great feedback I've gotten, I'll probably do a second edition of this in a couple of months, so keep letting me know about those big names, connections, and game company afiiliations that I missed.<BR/><BR/>"Down with the King" is the sort of thing that I wouldn't have found on my own because Alan Moon isn't credited as a designer. But, if his effort was that large, it's appropriate.<BR/><BR/><B>On Wallpaper:</B> I actually purposefully made this vertical so that you could scroll it on a computer screen in the expected way, so no plans for a landscaped version. It would take pretty huge amounts of effort to turn everything around.<BR/><BR/><B>On American Designers:</B> I actually didn't intend to put an emphasis there, it's just how the chart laid out, though I'll have to admit I made the extra effort to include big RPG names like Gary Gygax, Dave Arneson, Steve Jackson, and Jeff Grubb. <BR/><BR/>Generally the American designers seemed to have a higher percentage of collaborations, I think because of that corporate grouping I noted.<BR/><BR/><B>Stonehenge:</B> My initial inclination is to keep it out of the chart because it's not a true collaboration. It's more like that Borg/LotR collaboration I note, which only went on the chart because it was covenient.<BR/><BR/>Of course at the moment Selinker, Faidutti, Borg, and Ernest are all pretty near each other ...Shannon Appelclinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10454937577535623129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138919933865289702006-02-02T14:38:00.000-08:002006-02-02T14:38:00.000-08:00Of course what can get really whacky is if you con...Of course what can get really whacky is if you consider that Alan Moon (who worked at AH BTW) did development on Down with the King so much that some would say that it eventually became his game. If you consider that you then have a connection with the Rahmans. From this you can move out quickly to Lance Gutteridge (Insectors) from there you move to Tom Dalgliesh & Ron Gibson which opens up a whole new section (Columbia games, Gamma Two Games, and then of course more AH stuff).<BR/><BR/>It might be worth noting that Mike Gray used to work at the old AH, then WotC and now works the new AH at Hasbro.<BR/><BR/>Good stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138919214384018382006-02-02T14:26:00.000-08:002006-02-02T14:26:00.000-08:00Insanely impressive job, Shannon. I can't wait to...Insanely impressive job, Shannon. I can't wait to do a flow analysis of your chart! :-) But, given the emphasis you placed on American designers, I'm surprised you didn't mention Rob Daviau and Craig Van Ness from Milton Bradley/Hasbro. Both have design credits with Larry Harris and Stephen Baker, as well as, of course, each other.<BR/><BR/>And I can hardly wait to see what you do with Stonehenge, the proposed multi-design with five games in one, each using the same components, and each contributed by a different designer. Richard Borg, James Ernest, Bruno Faidutti, Richard Garfield, and Mike Selinker all (kind of) collaborating on the same game! There's a chart buster for you!huzonfirsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12857915477472022870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138918697372467952006-02-02T14:18:00.000-08:002006-02-02T14:18:00.000-08:00Impressive. You've figured out the answer, but wha...Impressive. You've figured out the answer, but what was the question, again? ;-)Coldfoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636345146138362966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138916100640972772006-02-02T13:35:00.000-08:002006-02-02T13:35:00.000-08:00Nice job. I don't suppose you'd consider going la...Nice job. I don't suppose you'd consider going landscape with it? It'd make for an interesting desktop wallpaper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138912352497464342006-02-02T12:32:00.000-08:002006-02-02T12:32:00.000-08:00Glad you enjoyed it.I'd all but forgotten that the...Glad you enjoyed it.<BR/><BR/>I'd all but forgotten that the Knightmare Chesses were SJG. I can actually see how to bring them together, by moving the FFG/Hasbro/Eagle/Cheapass branch, but it's a pretty huge amount of work.<BR/><BR/>Maybe on a future iteration;).Shannon Appelclinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10454937577535623129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138911306879055772006-02-02T12:15:00.000-08:002006-02-02T12:15:00.000-08:00This won't help me fight my sometimes oversized eg...This won't help me fight my sometimes oversized ego....<BR/><BR/>the graph is impressive - I tried to find a way to move Knightmare Chess into the SJG area, but couldn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138909834809017442006-02-02T11:50:00.000-08:002006-02-02T11:50:00.000-08:00Good going, Doug. I'd tried to figure out how to m...Good going, Doug. I'd tried to figure out how to make that connection to me, but couldn't even falling back on roleplaying books;).<BR/><BR/>More importantly, that gives me a Faidutti Factor of 5.Shannon Appelclinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10454937577535623129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138909042835864992006-02-02T11:37:00.000-08:002006-02-02T11:37:00.000-08:00Knizia shares design credit with Kevin Jacklin on ...Knizia shares design credit with Kevin Jacklin on the game Hollwood Lives. Kevin Jacklin has a credit in the Call of Cthulhu Creature Companion, which means that Shannon is more closely linked to Knizia than Faidutti is!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138908906287078202006-02-02T11:35:00.000-08:002006-02-02T11:35:00.000-08:00Absolutely awesome work.YehudaAbsolutely awesome work.<BR/><BR/>YehudaYehuda Berlingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16038826060312027387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138907103491280882006-02-02T11:05:00.000-08:002006-02-02T11:05:00.000-08:00Pretty much how I felt, Dave;).Pretty much how I felt, Dave;).Shannon Appelclinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10454937577535623129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138906817154114252006-02-02T11:00:00.000-08:002006-02-02T11:00:00.000-08:00I'm not sure about the value of the result, but th...I'm not sure about the value of the result, but the effort was surely very impressive!davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09731559409813571045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14856978.post-1138906121581317662006-02-02T10:48:00.000-08:002006-02-02T10:48:00.000-08:00What a fantastic piece of work! I nominate this fo...What a fantastic piece of work! I nominate this for "2006 Post of the Year."ektedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02200891099572736360noreply@blogger.com